FVWM: why 2 archives for this list?

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi,
I discovered that there are 2 archives for this list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/***@fvwm.org/maillist.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/***@lists.math.uh.edu/

the 1st one shows all posts, but in the 2nd one, some posts
are missing. Unfortunatley, the link in http://www.fvwm.org/ leads
to the 2nd one.

Can anybody explain that?

best regards,

[Chris Bannister]

Post by Pierre Frenkiel
hi,
the 1st one shows all posts, but in the 2nd one, some posts
are missing. Unfortunatley, the link in http://www.fvwm.org/ leads
to the 2nd one.
Can anybody explain that?

It seems the listmaster is no longer operational.
the message I sent to ***@fvwm.org on:
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 05:58:55 +1300
with subject:
FVWM: missing list headers

<content>
[List CC'd in case anyone else interested.]

Hi,

I noticed in the headers of a typical post on the fvwm mailing list, a
strange thing.

There is only the "List-Id:" header¹

missing are the typical:

List-Post:
List-Help:
List-Subscribe:
List-Unsubscribe:

headers found on other mailing lists which have them.

¹ In fact, it is spelled "List-ID:", which is not even the normal
spelling. This could be a clue as to why it is not implemented in the
usual manner.
</content>

was returned with no such address as ***@fvwm.org!

Also there is no sign of it in the archives!!
(maybe because ***@fvwm.org was only CC'd?)

[Pierre Frenkiel]

Post by Chris Bannister
It seems the listmaster is no longer operational.

On the fvwm,org page:

To report problems with any of the mailing lists, send mail to fvwm-***@fvwm.org.

did you try it? I got once, a few days ago, a reply from
***@math.uh.edu

best regards,

[Chris Bannister]

Post by Pierre Frenkiel

Post by Chris Bannister
It seems the listmaster is no longer operational.

did you try it? I got once, a few days ago, a reply from

Ah! I see, but the canonical address is ***@example.org, just
like ***@example.org is for web sites.

[Pierre Frenkiel]

I get simply not updated it. Simple as that.

Not so simple! If it was just a problem of delayed update, how would
you explain that some recent posts are present, but not older ones?
May-be is it related to the fact that on some posts, the list is only in Cc?

Note that it's easier to use the gmane interface since that aggregates the
two from what I can tell.

now the more confuse than I thought: not 2 archives, but 3, the last one being
an aggregate of the other 2!

Anyway, that doesn't explain what is the purpose of these 2 archives, none of them
being complete ( I thought that the 2nd one was complete, but I discovered that
at least 1 post was not listed, the FOSDEM Call for Talks )

best regards,

[Thomas Adam]

Post by Pierre Frenkiel

I get simply not updated it. Simple as that.

Not so simple! If it was just a problem of delayed update, how would
you explain that some recent posts are present, but not older ones?
May-be is it related to the fact that on some posts, the list is only in Cc?

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I do not know, nor particularly care to find
out the historical reasons why there's two mail addresses or aliases
or lists or however they're implemented behind the scenes.

What I care about is making users find the mail they're looking for if
this is a real problem.

When I say "website", I'm referring to fvwm.org -- and not the content
of external mail archivers. That we advertise them at all on fvwm.org
is good -- what I'm saying is I have not updated fvwm.org to point to

Post by Pierre Frenkiel

Note that it's easier to use the gmane interface since that aggregates the
two from what I can tell.

now the more confuse than I thought: not 2 archives, but 3, the last one being
an aggregate of the other 2!

No. There is still only two; it's the interface you use to search
them (gmame) which matters.

Post by Pierre Frenkiel
Anyway, that doesn't explain what is the purpose of these 2 archives, none of them
being complete ( I thought that the 2nd one was complete, but I discovered that
at least 1 post was not listed, the FOSDEM Call for Talks )

Maybe your post was never sent to the list. Did you consider that?

Anyhow, this is all very drull, and I'll update the website to make
things clearer about mail archiving.

For any other mail concern you might have, please contact the list owner.

-- Thomas Adam

[Pierre Frenkiel]

Post by Thomas Adam

Post by Pierre Frenkiel
discovered that
at least 1 post was not listed, the FOSDEM Call for Talks )

Maybe your post was never sent to the list. Did you consider that?

It's not my post, but that's not the problem: it was actually
sent, and was delivered to the list, as you can see at:

http://www.mail-archive.com/***@lists.math.uh.edu/

So this proves that none of the 2 archives are complete, and I find
really amazing to have to aggregate 2 archives to have a complete view
(but I'm surely too cartesian!)

best regards,