Discussion:
Forums and Wiki need new maintainers/homes
Thomas Adam
2013-09-05 21:25:52 UTC
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Hi all,

Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.

They're very low traffic sites, and the only real burden will be the PhpBB3
maintenance. Whomever wishes to take that on might want to consider
upgrading that, and/or ditching it for something else entirely. Note that
there are still a number of users who use that site. The wiki, by contrast,
is less used. In fact, much of the content therein has come from myself.

One final thing to note, I own the domain name fvwmforums.org and am willing
to hand that over, and furthermore, if you want to take this on, you'll need
to consider hosting of the wiki since I won't want to be using my domain for
this in the future.

Jaimos Skriletz is currently very kindly hosting the forums for me. I don't
know if he's willing to continue that given I'm handing this over to someone
else, so I'd consider hosting that yourself. He's been exemplary in his
role as host and has done a great job at ensuring no real downtime as a
result, so thanks Jaimos!

Any questions, please ask.

-- Thomas Adam

[1] http://fvwmforums.org
[2] http://fvwmwiki.xteddy.org
--
"Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am
not." -- Morrissey ("Girl Least Likely To" -- off of Viva Hate.)
Dan Espen
2013-09-06 01:58:36 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
--
Dan Espen
Thomas Adam
2013-09-06 09:02:59 UTC
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Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
what I can tell. They're certainly a lot busier than fvwm@ in terms of
questions.

The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.

So I can close them all down and keep the data kicking around, yes. But I
am not happy pissing users off in the process, hence the request for a
takeover.

-- Thomas Adam
James Griffin
2013-09-06 11:44:09 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
questions.
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.
So I can close them all down and keep the data kicking around, yes. But I
am not happy pissing users off in the process, hence the request for a
takeover.
-- Thomas Adam
The information on these sites has proven valuable. It would be a shame
if it were no longer available. Personally, as a user of fvwm2, it has
been, and is, a valuable resource - especially as some of the man pages
are lacking in some ways.

Does this mean, also, development of the fvwm2 Window Manager is going to
slow down or worse? and what about the irc channels? will it/they still
operate and are they used much? I've not yet used the irc channel, I tend
to -- cautiously -- use this mailing list for information and to ask questions.
--
James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net

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Thomas Adam
2013-09-06 11:51:43 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
questions.
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.
So I can close them all down and keep the data kicking around, yes. But I
am not happy pissing users off in the process, hence the request for a
takeover.
-- Thomas Adam
The information on these sites has proven valuable. It would be a shame
if it were no longer available. Personally, as a user of fvwm2, it has
been, and is, a valuable resource - especially as some of the man pages
are lacking in some ways.
Past cries for someone to use that documentation to improve the man page has
fallen on deaf ears. No one has done this yet. Patches welcome.
Post by James Griffin
Does this mean, also, development of the fvwm2 Window Manager is going to
slow down or worse? and what about the irc channels? will it/they still
operate and are they used much? I've not yet used the irc channel, I tend
to -- cautiously -- use this mailing list for information and to ask questions.
The community will still exist here, of course. Why wouldn't it? As for
development, I don't know. Someone will keep it ticking over. It's always
been that way.

-- Thomas Adam
Bert Geens
2013-09-06 18:06:40 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
questions.
The barrier to sending questions to mailinglists certainly is a lot
higher for most people than posting to a forum (whether this is is an
imaginary barrier or not is, in the end, irrelevant), which is the
main reason I set up the Fvwm forums back then.

If need be I will take over maintaining the forums again. The software
is relatively low maintenance (certainly compared to the horror that was
phpBB2). It would be nice if there would be some more knowledgeable
moderators, my personal use of Fvwm is, to say the least, pretty basic.

While I don't foresee a repeat of the issue that forced Thomas to take
over maintaining the forum software it would certainly be nice if
hosting could remain somewhere where more people have access to it in
case of emergency. In other words, if Jaimos doesn't mind it would be
nice if the forums could stay where they currently are.
Post by Thomas Adam
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.
It would be a shame to lose the information stored in the wiki, I find
it often more to the point that having to distill that same information
form the manpage (assuming it's in there at all).

Kind regards,

Bert Geens
(aka theBlackDragon)
Jaimos F Skriletz
2013-09-06 19:11:35 UTC
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Post by Bert Geens
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
questions.
The barrier to sending questions to mailinglists certainly is a lot
higher for most people than posting to a forum (whether this is is an
imaginary barrier or not is, in the end, irrelevant), which is the
main reason I set up the Fvwm forums back then.
If need be I will take over maintaining the forums again. The software
is relatively low maintenance (certainly compared to the horror that was
phpBB2). It would be nice if there would be some more knowledgeable
moderators, my personal use of Fvwm is, to say the least, pretty basic.
While I don't foresee a repeat of the issue that forced Thomas to take
over maintaining the forum software it would certainly be nice if
hosting could remain somewhere where more people have access to it in
case of emergency. In other words, if Jaimos doesn't mind it would be
nice if the forums could stay where they currently are.
Post by Thomas Adam
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.
It would be a shame to lose the information stored in the wiki, I find
it often more to the point that having to distill that same information
form the manpage (assuming it's in there at all).
For the time being I see no reason I cannot keep hosting the forums and
host the wiki as well. This could change in the future (but I don't
foresee such an event) and I would prefer to host if someone I have
known via #fvwm or in the fvwm community for a while took charge of what
little maintenance there is on the admin side. As for getting some more
moderators for the forums themselves that could be useful and moderators
do not need any access to the servers.

I could help Bert with anything on the admin side of the server and
keeping phpBB3 up and secure, but I too only use the very basic features
of fvwm and don't want to be a moderator on the forums.

One thing that could be useful on my end to save a small issue we had
when I changed servers was having control of the domain names. I
consider them part of the fvwm community but if I end up keep hosting
the forums and the wiki it just saves time and hassle if I can access
and control them directly instead of waiting for the owner of them to
update DNS records and the likes.

jaimos
Glenn Golden
2013-09-06 20:19:43 UTC
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--
Post by Jaimos F Skriletz
Post by Bert Geens
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users of
FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of closing
it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and still do, from
questions.
The barrier to sending questions to mailinglists certainly is a lot
higher for most people than posting to a forum (whether this is is an
imaginary barrier or not is, in the end, irrelevant), which is the
main reason I set up the Fvwm forums back then.
If need be I will take over maintaining the forums again. The software
is relatively low maintenance (certainly compared to the horror that was
phpBB2). It would be nice if there would be some more knowledgeable
moderators, my personal use of Fvwm is, to say the least, pretty basic.
While I don't foresee a repeat of the issue that forced Thomas to take
over maintaining the forum software it would certainly be nice if
hosting could remain somewhere where more people have access to it in
case of emergency. In other words, if Jaimos doesn't mind it would be
nice if the forums could stay where they currently are.
Post by Thomas Adam
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which I feel
should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is wanting to do
that.
It would be a shame to lose the information stored in the wiki, I find
it often more to the point that having to distill that same information
form the manpage (assuming it's in there at all).
For the time being I see no reason I cannot keep hosting the forums
and host the wiki as well. This could change in the future (but I
don't foresee such an event) and I would prefer to host if someone I
have known via #fvwm or in the fvwm community for a while took
charge of what little maintenance there is on the admin side. As for
getting some more moderators for the forums themselves that could be
useful and moderators do not need any access to the servers.
I could help Bert with anything on the admin side of the server and
keeping phpBB3 up and secure, but I too only use the very basic
features of fvwm and don't want to be a moderator on the forums.
One thing that could be useful on my end to save a small issue we
had when I changed servers was having control of the domain names. I
consider them part of the fvwm community but if I end up keep
hosting the forums and the wiki it just saves time and hassle if I
can access and control them directly instead of waiting for the
owner of them to update DNS records and the likes.
Not sure if this is of any help, but will offer it anyway.

I use a commercial-grade webserver for my private use, website and email
(paid service.) It's been very reliable, almost zero downtime in my experience.
Under the terms of service, I'm permitted to use it for just about anything
other than very high-traffic or paid commerical use. So I'd be more than happy
to create a website under my personal account -- the site naming is flexible,
it could be something like fvwm.foo.bar or or foo.bar.fvwm, or variations like
that -- and host any of the present FVWM informational services (Wiki, etc.).
I'm already paying for the service, so it's no cost increment to me.

The caveat is that there is almost no ability to actually administer the
files served, other than perhaps editing CGI scripts. I know zilch about
Wikis and about what capabilities would be required in order to administer one
effectively, so maybe this is a silly and useless offer. But, if it is of any
value to simply have a more or less passive but high-quality server, just let
me know.

Btw, if someone has time, please educate me (and others) as to what
capabilities are needed in order to perform the necessary administration.

Glenn
James Griffin
2013-09-07 06:09:31 UTC
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Post by Jaimos F Skriletz
For the time being I see no reason I cannot keep hosting the forums
and host the wiki as well. This could change in the future (but I
don't foresee such an event) and I would prefer to host if someone I
have known via #fvwm or in the fvwm community for a while took charge
of what little maintenance there is on the admin side. As for getting
some more moderators for the forums themselves that could be useful
and moderators do not need any access to the servers.
I could help Bert with anything on the admin side of the server and
keeping phpBB3 up and secure, but I too only use the very basic
features of fvwm and don't want to be a moderator on the forums.
One thing that could be useful on my end to save a small issue we had
when I changed servers was having control of the domain names. I
consider them part of the fvwm community but if I end up keep hosting
the forums and the wiki it just saves time and hassle if I can access
and control them directly instead of waiting for the owner of them to
update DNS records and the likes.
This sounds like the best way forward, from a users POV. Especially keeping
all the domain names managed under the same person/people. Having
fvwm.foo.bar or something similar is going to confuse things.

The thing that seems most worrying is we'll have so few people to ask questions too on
the mailing list and forum. Thomas and Dan seem to be the only people who
answer back to email and such.
--
James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net

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Dan Espen
2013-09-07 12:41:31 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
The thing that seems most worrying is we'll have so few people to ask questions too on
the mailing list and forum. Thomas and Dan seem to be the only people who
answer back to email and such.
I don't visit the forum so I can't answer questions there.
There are others on the mailing list that answer questions.
I don't know what goes on with the forum.
--
Dan Espen
Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
2013-09-07 19:23:33 UTC
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Post by Dan Espen
!-- On Fri 6.Sep'13 at 20:11:35 BST, Jaimos F Skriletz
The thing that seems most worrying is we'll have so few people to ask
questions too on the mailing list and forum. Thomas and Dan seem to be
the only people who answer back to email and such.
I don't visit the forum so I can't answer questions there.
There are others on the mailing list that answer questions.
I don't know what goes on with the forum.
The pitty with the forum is that it does not allow images. Otherwise it's a
good source of ideas/configuration to get you started.

Nik
--
Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Einnehmerstraße 14
A-4810 Gmunden
Tel.: +43 650 82 11 724
email: ***@klepp.biz
Bert Geens
2013-09-08 22:48:54 UTC
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Post by Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
Post by Dan Espen
!-- On Fri 6.Sep'13 at 20:11:35 BST, Jaimos F Skriletz
The thing that seems most worrying is we'll have so few people to ask
questions too on the mailing list and forum. Thomas and Dan seem to be
the only people who answer back to email and such.
I don't visit the forum so I can't answer questions there.
There are others on the mailing list that answer questions.
I don't know what goes on with the forum.
The pitty with the forum is that it does not allow images. Otherwise it's a
good source of ideas/configuration to get you started.
Images should be supported, although you can't upload them to the
forums, so they need to be externally hosted.

Kind regards,

Bert
Thomas Adam
2013-09-07 21:46:45 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
This sounds like the best way forward, from a users POV. Especially keeping
all the domain names managed under the same person/people. Having
fvwm.foo.bar or something similar is going to confuse things.
Someone should check with Jason Tibbitts, because I am sure he wouldn't mind
setting up a DNS redirect for {wiki,forums}.fvwm.org. Then you don't have
to worry about DNS in the slightest, since that'll happen automatically as
long as the domain name of FVWM is ensured; and Dan Espen has kindly done
that already. Last I heard from Jason he was willing to do this.
Post by James Griffin
The thing that seems most worrying is we'll have so few people to ask questions too on
the mailing list and forum. Thomas and Dan seem to be the only people who
answer back to email and such.
Oh well.

Note that I am not in any way interested in discussing the merits of forums
versus mailing lists and vice versa. I just want the responsibility taken
away from me completely ASAP.

So I'm expecting someone or someones to be contacting me soon regarding
this.

Cheers,

-- Thomas Adam
--
"Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am
not." -- Morrissey ("Girl Least Likely To" -- off of Viva Hate.)
James Griffin
2013-09-08 07:06:46 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Oh well.
Note that I am not in any way interested in discussing the merits of forums
versus mailing lists and vice versa. I just want the responsibility taken
away from me completely ASAP.
You've missed the point. I couldn't give a shit about mailing lists
and/or forums and which is better. I'm saying there won't be anyone to
ask questions to, apart from Dan. It seems like the beginning of the end
of the fvwm2.

You said on the OpenBSD mailing list some weeks ago you were the main
developer for fvwm - so who's going to develop it now?
--
James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net

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Thomas Funk
2013-09-08 09:44:26 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
Post by Thomas Adam
Oh well.
Note that I am not in any way interested in discussing the merits of forums
versus mailing lists and vice versa. I just want the responsibility taken
away from me completely ASAP.
You've missed the point. I couldn't give a shit about mailing lists
and/or forums and which is better. I'm saying there won't be anyone to
ask questions to, apart from Dan. It seems like the beginning of the end
of the fvwm2.
It looks like ...
Post by James Griffin
You said on the OpenBSD mailing list some weeks ago you were the main
developer for fvwm - so who's going to develop it now?
Dan Espen
Dominik Vogt
...

And a few contributors like me.

One point is that it's hard to come in in this elitist club of
conservatives. If anyone has an idea to change something or extend a
part it comes 'why?', 'That's not needed' or 'FVWM must work with old
distributions' ... never change a running system ...
Examples:
Gtk1, Groff to Asciidoc, Debian installation, Python, CVS to Git,
FvwmScript extensions.

Another point is if anyone sends something to the mailing list e.g. a
module, no feedback comes back.

The same is with projects like FVWM-Crystal or Fvwm-Nightshade. They
will be ignored - for whatever reason - allthough they show what FVWM
can do and gives a start point for FVWM newbies.

On the other hand is the FVWM community ... it is not that small but
as Thomas Adam said:
'Past cries for someone to use that documentation to improve the man
page has fallen on deaf ears. No one has done this yet. Patches
welcome.'
Does any patches come? ... No.
Post by James Griffin
I'm saying there won't be anyone to ask questions to, apart from Dan.
It seems like the beginning of the end of the fvwm2.
On the mailing list - mostly. But not on the forum.

Best,
Thomas aka TF and main developer of Fvwm-Nightshade
Thomas Adam
2013-09-08 10:08:05 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
Post by Thomas Adam
Oh well.
Note that I am not in any way interested in discussing the merits of forums
versus mailing lists and vice versa. I just want the responsibility taken
away from me completely ASAP.
You've missed the point. I couldn't give a shit about mailing lists
and/or forums and which is better. I'm saying there won't be anyone to
ask questions to, apart from Dan. It seems like the beginning of the end
of the fvwm2.
Why? You've had a distorted view that somehow support will stop dead. It
won't. Ever since FVWM started its development there has been a changing
group of people in terms of its development, and the same goes for those who
are both subscribed and choose to answer questions. I can't say that I'll
stop answering questions, no. But I am definitely stopping any active
development.

That is not the same thing as "the beginning of the end". It's the way FVWM
has _always_ been developed, and it's part of its success in that regard,
too.

Stop putting FUD around the place. The pace of FVWM's development might
slow, and/or it might stall, but so what? It's pretty complete as-is.
FVWM's development is as-and-when---the development community has always
been variable and changing, with different people doing things and different
times, and for some times not at all.
Post by James Griffin
You said on the OpenBSD mailing list some weeks ago you were the main
developer for fvwm - so who's going to develop it now?
I said I was "the only upstream developer for FVWM for now", which means I'm
the most active person churning out code fixes, etc. See above for how
FVWM's developed. I think I've made that pretty clear.

This is my final word on this. I want to get back to discussing who's going
to want the data I've got for the wiki and forums to handover.

-- Thomas Adam
--
"Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am
not." -- Morrissey ("Girl Least Likely To" -- off of Viva Hate.)
James Griffin
2013-09-08 10:31:50 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Why? You've had a distorted view that somehow support will stop dead. It
won't. Ever since FVWM started its development there has been a changing
group of people in terms of its development, and the same goes for those who
are both subscribed and choose to answer questions. I can't say that I'll
stop answering questions, no. But I am definitely stopping any active
development.
That is not the same thing as "the beginning of the end". It's the way FVWM
has _always_ been developed, and it's part of its success in that regard,
too.
Stop putting FUD around the place. The pace of FVWM's development might
slow, and/or it might stall, but so what? It's pretty complete as-is.
FVWM's development is as-and-when---the development community has always
been variable and changing, with different people doing things and different
times, and for some times not at all.
This is my final word on this. I want to get back to discussing who's going
to want the data I've got for the wiki and forums to handover.
-- Thomas Adam
It wasn't my intention to digress or to "put FUD around" - I was merely
looking for some reassurance the software will still be managed. You've
satisfied that concern, so thank you.

Thomas Funk referred to the issue of man pages not being updated in his
message sent just now. I have actually been thinking I can help with
that. I like using this WM so I would like to contribute in some way.
--
James Griffin: jmz at kontrol.kode5.net

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Thomas Adam
2013-09-08 10:46:16 UTC
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Post by James Griffin
Thomas Funk referred to the issue of man pages not being updated in his
message sent just now. I have actually been thinking I can help with
that. I like using this WM so I would like to contribute in some way.
It requires a lot of careful thought. Please search the mailing list
archives for "documentation"---there's been a plethora of different ideas,
and generally people saying "XYZ needs updating", etc.

Note that when we say "updating", we don't mean "the man page is
incomplete"---far from it. Rather, we note that certain things need better
explanation. Like this:

http://www.mail-archive.com/***@lists.math.uh.edu/msg16494.html

Other people have wanted better translation support as well.

-- Thomas Adam
--
"Deep in my heart I wish I was wrong. But deep in my heart I know I am
not." -- Morrissey ("Girl Least Likely To" -- off of Viva Hate.)
James Griffin
2013-09-09 10:13:41 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Post by James Griffin
Thomas Funk referred to the issue of man pages not being updated in his
message sent just now. I have actually been thinking I can help with
that. I like using this WM so I would like to contribute in some way.
It requires a lot of careful thought. Please search the mailing list
archives for "documentation"---there's been a plethora of different ideas,
and generally people saying "XYZ needs updating", etc.
Note that when we say "updating", we don't mean "the man page is
incomplete"---far from it. Rather, we note that certain things need better
Other people have wanted better translation support as well.
Sure, I understand. I'm not saying they're incomplete or even bad - just
that they could do with some modifications to correct missing words,
grammar, things like that. Also, to incorporate some examples where
appropriate.
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Thomas Funk
2013-09-06 20:42:08 UTC
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Post by Bert Geens
It would be nice if there would be some more knowledgeable
moderators, my personal use of Fvwm is, to say the least, pretty basic.
I would do it if it's ok ...

Kindly,
Thomas
Bert Geens
2013-09-08 22:50:25 UTC
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Post by Thomas Funk
Post by Bert Geens
It would be nice if there would be some more knowledgeable
moderators, my personal use of Fvwm is, to say the least, pretty basic.
I would do it if it's ok ...
You'd be most welcome to, just send me an e-mail off-list with your
forum username and I'll set it up.

Kind regards,

Bert
Thomas Funk
2013-09-06 10:47:32 UTC
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Hi all,
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi Dan,
Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing
over the FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote
the time needed for their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a
point of contact for them anymore.
From my point of view, I'd have no problem with closing them down.
If you could direct users to the mailing lists, that would be a good
thing.
That'd be the simplest solution, yes. But I'm unclear how many users
of FVWM and the forums would welcome that. I was always in favour of
closing it down, but it exists _because_ it's what people wanetd, and
still do, from what I can tell. They're certainly a lot busier than
It is not a good idea to close the forum because it is a very good place
to get help and information. And from my point of view it signals that
Fvwm is on the way to it's end ...

I would take a moderators part if this is ok. Perhaps Bert aka
theBlackDragon would help, too ...

About the PhpBB3 maintenance I cannot help with it because I haven't any
experience with that.
Post by Thomas Adam
The wiki is less important, but there's a lot of documentation which
I feel should make it in to the man pages somewhere if someone is
wanting to do that.
The content could be moved into the documentation site of Fvwm. There're
many parts which are very important about how Fvwm works, e.g. the start
up. The only thing is that the wiki is very confusing and find things
not that easy.

Best,
Thomas
Post by Thomas Adam
So I can close them all down and keep the data kicking around, yes.
But I am not happy pissing users off in the process, hence the request
for a takeover.
-- Thomas Adam
Thomas Adam
2013-09-15 19:23:40 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
They're very low traffic sites, and the only real burden will be the PhpBB3
maintenance. Whomever wishes to take that on might want to consider
upgrading that, and/or ditching it for something else entirely. Note that
there are still a number of users who use that site. The wiki, by contrast,
is less used. In fact, much of the content therein has come from myself.
One final thing to note, I own the domain name fvwmforums.org and am willing
to hand that over, and furthermore, if you want to take this on, you'll need
to consider hosting of the wiki since I won't want to be using my domain for
this in the future.
Jaimos Skriletz is currently very kindly hosting the forums for me. I don't
know if he's willing to continue that given I'm handing this over to someone
else, so I'd consider hosting that yourself. He's been exemplary in his
role as host and has done a great job at ensuring no real downtime as a
result, so thanks Jaimos!
Any questions, please ask.
This thread seems to have decended in to a different subject altogether, so
I want to bring it back to my original question. Those of you concerned
about FVWM's continued development can ask in a different thread---I do not
want nor care to discuss it here.

Answers to the question asked above would be good, please, otherwise you'll
lose the data in due course, and it will only be available on request for
those who wish to resurrect it.

Forgive the terseness of this, but I want you all to appreciate the impact
of this.

-- Thomas Adam
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Jaimos F Skriletz
2013-09-16 20:37:25 UTC
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Post by Thomas Adam
Post by Thomas Adam
Hi all,
Given my diminishing work on FVWM, I need to think about handing over the
FVWM Forums [1] and the FVWM Wiki [2]. I cannot devote the time needed for
their maintenance, nor do I want to act as a point of contact for them
anymore.
They're very low traffic sites, and the only real burden will be the PhpBB3
maintenance. Whomever wishes to take that on might want to consider
upgrading that, and/or ditching it for something else entirely. Note that
there are still a number of users who use that site. The wiki, by contrast,
is less used. In fact, much of the content therein has come from myself.
One final thing to note, I own the domain name fvwmforums.org and am willing
to hand that over, and furthermore, if you want to take this on, you'll need
to consider hosting of the wiki since I won't want to be using my domain for
this in the future.
Jaimos Skriletz is currently very kindly hosting the forums for me. I don't
know if he's willing to continue that given I'm handing this over to someone
else, so I'd consider hosting that yourself. He's been exemplary in his
role as host and has done a great job at ensuring no real downtime as a
result, so thanks Jaimos!
Any questions, please ask.
This thread seems to have decended in to a different subject altogether, so
I want to bring it back to my original question. Those of you concerned
about FVWM's continued development can ask in a different thread---I do not
want nor care to discuss it here.
I talked to Thomas and to keep the data alive I am taking the wiki and
will now host it at fvwmforums.org/wiki and since I am already hosting
the forums I just need to take control of the domain to get the
responsibilities out of Thomas' hands.

Thank you Thomas for all you have done for fvwm over the years and
passing this data on as so it won't be lost to the community.

I will keep an aloof eye and of course backups of the data just in case,
but over all I will not be actively moderating the sites. I am able to
host these sights for the foreseeable future and if anyone wants to step
up and add to them or moderate them more actively, we can deal with this
at that time.

I expect the transition to happen sometime this week.

jaimos

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